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30/08/2024

UPDATE for HPZ820! Unfortunately, many 3D and 2D apps are now using AVX2 CPU extensions which the Z820 V2 Motherboard and CPU socket and CPUs do not support. This applies mostly to software offered as of 2024 and beyond. If you are comfortable with restricting your workflow to existing software that only requires AVX and not AVX2 the Z820 is still a valid option. You simply will not be able to use 2024 and later subscription versions for Adobe, Cinema 4D and similar software.

WHY THE HP Z820 ??This page is dedicated to providing correct and precise instructions for installing three Nvidia GPUs ...
25/11/2019

WHY THE HP Z820 ??

This page is dedicated to providing correct and precise instructions for installing three Nvidia GPUs into used HP Z820 Workstations for 3D rendering artists and professionals. There was so much non-sense and internet garbage on this topic, I decided to dedicate a FB page to settle it.

Why the HP Z820? Simply put the HP Z820 saves money. If you intend to render in iRay or Redshift or similar RT render engines that use CUDA cores, you are really after the GPUs and the more GPUs the better. The consensus is that three GPUs is a minimum for professional work and your PC. The HP Z820 at the time of inception was a professional, industry level workstation, gas, oil, geology, medical and entertainment industries using the Z820. As time marched on the Z820 succumb to the fate of all computers and grew obsolete. Once the HP Z820 became "old generation" countless corporations and business dumped all their new and used Z820s onto the second hand PC market. As the HP 2820 was built for professional use, many features remain powerful. Quad channel memory, 1100W PSU, BMW designed cooling fan array, PCIe slots, dual E5 Xeons capable of pushing 4.0Ghz and the ability to add 500GB of DDR3 1866Mhz RAM. Yes, the memory choice is limited to DDR3, but 1866 is more than enough speed and the HP Z820 will accept 2667 version 2, water cooled XEON processors. The V2 2667 dual Xeons will turbo up to 4.0Ghz on a single core. C4D and Adobe products use a single core for many operations. For this reason, I strongly recommend the 2667 water cooled CPU as it offers the best of both worlds. A reasonable core count at 16 cores total, yet offers single core single threaded CPU speeds of up to 4.0Ghz. As of 2020 this is not the fastest CPU speed, but for a practically ancient processor chip, 4.0 Ghz is still remarkable. Again, my goal was bulk cores and bulk GPUs to render frame, not seeking out the absolute fastest single core CPU on the market. With this HP Z820 I had put together via workstation4u.com from Germany, I assembled the fastest HP Z820 possible. Keep in mind, each piece represents a possible bottleneck, so if you want the fastest possible Z820 hack, then you need to replicate each part listed in this FB site here.

With the V2 watercooled Xeon 2667 at 3.30Ghz base clock you will have the CPUs needed to handle three Nvidia 1080ti or 2080ti GPUs. You will however, need to hack this Z820 slightly for GPU power connectivity management and this is the PRIMARY reason for this FB page.

There are several flavors of the old HP Z-series. The HP Z 620, Z 800, Z 820 and Z 840. The Z-620 is too old. The Z-800 works well with fewer than 3 GPU, but why get the Z-800 when for slightly more can get Z-820 which features the Version 2.0 Motherboard, thus the current PCIe and Xeon5 compatible board. The Z-840 is faster but costly. The HP Z-820 strikes a nice balance. Buying the Z-820 be certain to get the version 2.0 motherboard and version 2.0 Xeons, such as the Xeon 2667 V2 8 core at 3.30 Ghz (dual core setup with water cooling)

Comparing against new computers, I found a newer machine with very close specs to be in the cost range of 9,000.00$ (not necessarily including all the GPUS...) whereas a used Z820 with 1080ti cards purchased through pay-pal for a warranty via Ebay, cost me about $5000.00 so essentially a savings of four thousand dollars.

So if you own a Z820 or are just curious, click on the pictures below and read the the comments next to each photo for the explanations and instructions.

22/11/2019

The RTX 2070S or Super was looking appealing to me for a render only PC. Recently though, I finally encountered a massive 3D scene with trees and leaves creating a million quads. Currently I have three 1080ti GPUs for a total of 33GB of VRAM. This massive scene (house and landscape) gobbled up everybit of VRAM in all three GPUs. It also drew so much power, my current 750W UPS backup power box started squealing like an assaulted animal. A continuous beeep of failure. A couple of lessons learned here from fiddling with a massive 3D scene. I will need to upgrade to a 1400W Backup power UPS and these are pricey. Or just keep PC plugged directly into wall and take chance of lightning or losing data in a power failure. Second, I won't be buying RTX 2060 or RTX 2070 or 2080 video cards because the 8GB VRAM or total with three cards of 24GB of VRAM won't be compatible with the current 33GB VRAM rig I have. Technically, it's possible but I would feel awkward moving a render off to a workstation with lesser VRAM. The RTX 2080ti is just too pricey at this moment, even the used ones on ebay. So I'm back to thinking if I do get a second HPZ820 for rendering only, I'll be looking at purchasing three more used 1080ti cards off eBay. Now the good news is that thanks to the release of the RTX 2000 series Nvidia GPUs the 1080ti are a little cheaper, but still surprisingly holding their own.

06/08/2019

THIS PAGE IS TO ASSIST WITH INSTALLING 3 NVIDIA GPUs INTO AN HP Z820 WORKSTATION - SCROLL DOWN FOR PICS AND POST

02/08/2019

I plan to slowly begin replacing the 1080ti with 2080ti cards to reduce rendering times. The 2080ti cards require two 150W connections with 8 pins. The Z820 has the power and cables to do this, and well see how it goes.

21/05/2019

GTX 1080ti still relevant? With the 2080 and 2080ti now available it begs the question. The 2080 has 8GB of VRAM so its 3GB shy of the 11GB with the 1080ti. The 2080ti is about 30 percent faster than the 1080ti but more expensive. In 3D programs, many apps prefer the scene be loaded entirely into GPU memory to GPU render so the more VRAM the more likely a massive 3D scene will load up fine. The 2080 at 8GB is good, but not as beefy as the 1080ti's 11GB capacity. A workaround is to simply install two 2080's for a total of 16GB. Three cards is a good sweet spot for heavy rendering, however more than 3 GPU cards installed and we see diminishing returns with a 4th GPU basically supporting data communications for the first three GPUs. Beyond 3 cards the industry standard is to simply render frames of the same animation across any number of workstations for reduced render speeds. Two 2080ti are going to be as good as three 1080ti and more. It appears that two 2080 GPUs are quite capable as well and three 2080 GPUs would certainly rival three 1080ti cards, since at 24GB of VRAM the three 2080s have overcome any scene VRAM loading issues and were simply looking at GPU frequency speeds at this point.

Nvidia 3 monitor surround 1080ti
13/04/2019

Nvidia 3 monitor surround 1080ti

13/04/2019

HP Z820 hack. Installing three 1080ti GPU

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15/03/2019

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08/03/2019

This page assists users with installing up to three Nvidia GTX 1080ti GPU video cards into the HP Z820 workstation. Although these changes are within specifications and safety limits, this is a user-modification which falls outside of recommended HP Z series workstation factory setup. This personal page is a recommendation only and assumes no responsibility for your experience or damage to your PC. Do not make modifications to your PC or electrical system if you do not understand the process and fundamentals, proceed at your own risk.

CLICK ON PICTURES AND READ COMMENTS FOR STEP BY STEP EXPLANATION.

HP Z820 Xeon 16 Cores Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti 11GB
08/03/2019

HP Z820 Xeon 16 Cores Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti 11GB

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