04/03/2026
In this episode of Therapists’ Take, we sit down with Bible professor, Dr. Jim Baird, to explore what ministers need to understand about counseling in today’s mental health landscape. Pastors and clergy are often the first call when someone is in crisis, navigating grief, marital distress, addiction, trauma, or spiritual doubt. But where does pastoral care end and clinical counseling begin?
Together, we explore the theological, psychological, and ethical complexities of caring for people in seasons of suffering. With nearly three decades of experience both training future ministers in the classroom and serving in the pulpit, Dr. Jim Baird brings a rare integration of academic rigor and pastoral wisdom to the conversation. We address the practical realities of scope of practice, knowing when and how to refer, and building thoughtful partnerships between churches and mental health professionals so congregations can be supported with both spiritual depth and clinical responsibility.
About Our Guest: Dr. Jim Baird has served as the pulpit minister at the Wilshire Church of Christ since 2001 and has been a beloved member of the faculty at Oklahoma Christian University since 1992, where he is a Distinguished Professor of Philosophy and Religion. In addition to his teaching, he has also contributed to the university’s Honors Program, helping shape generations of thoughtful students.
A graduate of Oklahoma Christian University, Dr. Baird earned his bachelor’s degree in English and Bible before completing a Master of Divinity at Harding Graduate School of Religion. He later received his D.Phil. (Doctor of Philosophy) from the University of Oxford, where his studies focused on philosophy of religion and the integration of faith and critical inquiry.
Known for his engaging teaching style and deep commitment to students, Dr. Baird has spent decades helping others wrestle thoughtfully with life’s biggest questions. While he is widely respected as a scholar and minister, he is equally known for his warmth, humor, and genuine investment in people.
Jim has been married to his wife, Yodie, for 47 years. Together they have three children—James, Taylor, and Elizabeth—and six grandchildren. And if you get the chance, don’t hesitate to ask him about them—he’ll be glad you did.
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