08/06/2025
Since the creation of this podcast, I’ve wanted to interview Dr. Niobe Way, and in this episode, I get that great honor. Dr. Way is the Steinhardt Professor of Applied Psychology at NYU and the author of many books on boyhood and the crisis of connection, including the just-released Rebels With a Cause: Reimagining Boys, Ourselves, and Our Culture. She is also the founder of PACH, the Project for the Advancement of Our Common Humanity, the Director of the Science of Human Connection Lab, and a Principal Investigator of the Listening Project.
In this interview, we talk about the danger of coding maturity and success as strictly masculine; why our culture values emotional hardness over emotional softness; the psychology of mass shooters; the importance of feeling heard and seen; how to listen with curiosity; the emotional wisdom of 5-year-olds; how thinking and feeling are inseparable; the questions we should be asking teenagers; and the importance of telling thick vs thin stories.
Talk Like a Man is the podcast of the Men’s Center for Growth and Change.
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