10/07/2025
I want to take this a step further. I think the importance of talking will ultimately be Charlie Kirk's legacy. Now granted, this isn't the full quote, but when you read the full quote, it's got so much value to it, but I think there's a nuance that's missing, without which such admirable goals as Charlie had fall short. It's not just about talking, but making sure we are talking to each other and not at each other.
The bad stuff starts to happen when people start talking at each other instead of to each other. Listening, understanding, and learning are all lost when people talk at each other, and only remain possible when talking to each other. When talking stops altogether, it's clear that there's a problem. There's a nuance to talking at each other that's harder to see. It can be mistaken for talking to each other, downplayed as heated or spirited. It's not though, and is just as ineffective as not talking at all, ultimately leading to the same bitter end result.
Having now watched quite a few clips of his debates now, I've seen several where he and the other person were talking at each other, not to each other. I wonder if either he or his debate partner understood what was happening in such moments, that they were trapped in a verbal vortex that just kept going around and around until something stopped it. To be fair, clips don't give the whole context, and I may have misinterpreted some or all. I've worked with enough people, particularly couples, to have a decent grasp on when people's internal defenses have gone up and the conversation from either end is more about protecting one's position due to deep seated fears rather than trying to understand the other side.
It’s an intense demand to hold the emotional awareness necessary to recognize such a state while being actively inside it. It has nothing to do with intelligence, as I've witnessed people of all stripes: bright, brilliant, highly educated, poorly educated, not so bright alike, all struggle with the understanding and awareness. I stress this because I don't want this to be interpreted as something like, “Charlie was too dumb to figure this out” because that wouldn't be the case at all - from what I understand he was quite brilliant. If I'm correct, and I may not be, that some of his more heated discussions became instances of talking at each other instead of to each other, it would have nothing to do with intelligence and more to do with emotional awareness, particularly inner fears and pain and the way the psyche structures itself to protect them, a phenomenon from which none of us are immune.
So yes, absolutely, we want to keep talking, but specifically, we want to keep talking to each other and be aware enough to ensure we are not talking at each other, lest we take a different route to end up at the same destination as if we had stopped talking at all.